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Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.04 04:57:00 - [1] Besides the obvious comedy concerning PI and the POS modules etc. there really hasn't been any major game changing additions with the advent of Tyrannis. Scorpion prices spiked sharply as everyone was overjoyed to be flying a good looking ship for once, but other than that it's been business as usual (save a few nerfs to pirates here and there). So now most of the conversation amongst the various circles I travel in has turned towards 'what's next?' and indeed, I think it merits some discussion. Since having waited almost half a year for a lightweight 'expansion' (lightweight in terms of new game developments affecting the core of Eve gameplay) we're left anxiously awaiting the new developments that will come yet again a half a year away. It's almost as if it feels like (to some of us) that we're going to have to wait a full year before we get a real expansion. Most of the players I've talked to are concerned about what will be included in the next major expansion this winter, and indeed if we'll see one at all this winter vis a vis having it pushed into February or March of next year as schedules slip like they usually do. Quite a few have expressed worry that the next 'expansion' will be focused on integrating Dust with Eve and that the entire thing will be focused on that and will add little to the game that Eve players will actually be interested in. The number of things that CCP could work on to improve the game is inexhaustible without adding anything from Dust to the list. You'd think that CCP would be able to pick from a wide variety of issues to address and be able to fill the next five expansions simply fixing existing problems and improving existing systems. So to the rest of you: care to offer your opinions on what we'll see in this coming winter expansion? Or lack there of? Think CCP will listen to the player base or just ignore it completely and do whatever they were going to do anyway? - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.04 07:58:00 - [2] Originally by: RP McMurphy Originally by: Libin Herobi Those numbers, can you put them back into your ass? I heard they want to go back home and I am pretty sure that's where they came from... Its simple math: eve has around 200.000 subscribers, right? Monthly there is a 12Ç subscription fee, right? There is some extra income from those that buy new accounts, right? And some extra income from those that stockpile PLEXes, right? So, last two incomes pretty much negate fluctuation of inactive accounts out of those 200k subscribers. So for simplification of math, lets stick with this number, altough there are articles on inet that annonuce over 300k ACTIVE subscribers! Linkage Now multiply 200.000 with 12Ç and u get 2.4mil Ç. If we stick with 300.000 active subscriptions, we get 3.6mil Ç per month. Not so much out of my ass, ha wower? You're ignoring the fact that accounts can be sustained (quite easily) via ISK. I don't pay for my accounts with real money, and I haven't ever since I was able to. I'd go so far as to say that a full 50% of all of Eve's current subscriptions are fully supported by ISK and ISK alone. - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.04 08:05:00 - [3] Originally by: Zeba You're ignoring the fact that accounts can be sustained (quite easily) via ISK. I don't pay for my accounts with real money, and I haven't ever since I was able to. I'd go so far as to say that a full 50% of all of Eve's current subscriptions are fully supported by ISK and ISK alone. zomg bellum. Did you just say that accounts that use isk to keep active are not making ccp money? o\ Note to self: Less posting while drunk. /o\ lol. - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.04 09:08:00 - [4] We're getting off track here people. The point is: besides PI, which is specifically centric to Dust514 CCP really didn't deliver all that much in this expansion. I appreciate the effort they're taking to upgrade the texture technologies (which is a big deal down the road) but they used up a huge amount of resources implementing PI that could have gone towards improving the game in just about any other aspect. So with the next expansion, will we see more massive focus on PI and Dust? Or will we see them working to fix/add to the core Eve game design? Passing off PI and other stuff added to Eve to enable Dust as 'expansion content for Eve players' doesn't hold any water with me. It's a cop out. If the next few years' worth of expansion content is going to be focusing on Dust and it's integration with Eve then I'll probably be leaving soonish. It's totally not the direction I'm interested in and won't offer anything interesting to play. I want to have new stuff to tinker with and new game design elements to examine and take advantage of. PI and other Dust related content really doesn't deliver that. - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.04 18:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Malcanis I'm not sure that EVE really needs all that much more content. It just need more working content. Agreed. Particularly when the trailers have literally nothing to do with actual gameplay. It's embarrassing when my friends see an Eve trailer and say "is that the game you play?" and I have to reply "sort of". TBH I'd much rather see the existing systems fixed and improved, the game design pushed more in favor of the aggressor rather than the defender and fleshing out the existing PVE content so that it's more dynamic and engaging. While I'm all about the PVP the PVE needs massive improvement, both with mining and missions/NPCs. - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.

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